The other explanation is that the artists hoped the audience wouldn't notice. However, since Diaclone toys were not part of the same line as Microman toys, scale issues arose. Autobot Outpost Omega Oneis located in a convertedmissilesilo inNevadaprovided by theUnited Statesgovernment, with Special AgentWilliam Fowleracting as their liaison. I personally think he is much taller than Optimus 2.0. This would repeat itself with the "Human Alliance" toys for Revenge of the Fallen: The cars/robots are all roughly the right size compared to each other (Skids and Mudflap are even smaller, squatter toys and come with sub-Scout-sized motorcycle and robots to make up for it), but their human drivers are all too small (amusingly, Frenzy seems to be about right). Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise), Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Unicron: Jupiter-sized (so approximately 140,000km in diameter). Master Blaster Without any height booster, Blackarachnia can interface well with these controls. Though their toys are some of the larger G1 toys, correctly scaled, this would make their robot modes several times the height of most Autobots. In fact when the Combaticons form him in Chapter X they are clearly swelling in size. He preferred instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing Sideways. Similarly, the Constructicons, despite also coming from the Diaclone line, are too small, in particular Long Haul, whose alternate mode is an "earth mover" type of dump truck, which are gigantic in real life. In Season 3, it was rerecorded with a background music and the "Beast Hunters" logo. For all of these reasons, it is usually considered one of the best Transformers cartoons. They can each pilot each other's vehicles or ride as a passenger. Some of the citybot toys have visible windows, which are too large for a city, suggesting instead a medium-sized building. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. While the two initially have their own customized muscle car alt-modes with no scaling issues, inconsistencies begin to appear as soon as they scan secondary airborne vehicle modes. Combiner characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. (NOTE: unfinalized models, scale may not be final), A much larger, black and white version of the the Decepticon scale chart, Autobot scale chart from the film's DVD(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Decepticon scale chart from the film's DVD(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Scale for Devastator and Constructicons(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Blackarachnia scale references for season 1, Scale chart from Transformers Animated: How to Draw, Scale chart page published in The AllSpark Almanac II, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee scale within the game, Omega Supreme next to Optimus Prime and Bumblebee within the game, Trypticon and Omega Supreme to scale within the game, Character model size comparison for Bumblebee, Omega Supreme and Trypticon, "Epic height" scale chart from Activision, https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Scale_charts&oldid=1685585. The depiction of Unicron's scale in Armada was (debatably) a slight improvement, in that physical interaction with normal beings was not attempted. 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are pretty tiny for a Freightliner truck, while his rear hitch section is too thick. Much less common are instances of a Transformer turning into an overscaled real-world object. The cartoon, for example, shows Prime, Megatron and Soundwave as about the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars as slightly shorter (though not as much as the toys are), and Minibots as smaller yet. 2y. A minority also lamented that the expensive animation budgeted the number of character models they could render, and thus led to a relatively small cast and an isolated setting. He should be able to carry all his teammates in his bed, with some crowding. The cast of Beast Wars were size-tweaked quite a bit, relative to the toyline. Transformers fiction commonly shrinks or inflates characters, relative to their toy sizes. The new peace doesn't last, as Cybertron's revival reawakens the slumbering Unicron, who takes Megatron's lifeless body as his own and seeks to destroy Primus. The scale of characters such as the original Dinobots, Hot Rod or Leobreaker is fairly arbitrary and can only be estimated by their relative size to other characters within the fiction, although most fiction is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). For example, Movie Jazz's Pontiac Solstice alternate mode is a tiny car, and any size class that includes both him and Bumblebee (a Chevrolet Camaro) will result in scale problems between the toys. Notably, Chromedome, if his driver is meant to be about the size of a human, is a rather oversized car, while the issues of Fortress Maximus being way too small for a city are magnified. Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. From his newly-erected fortressDarkmount, Megatron reestablishes contact withShockwave, learning the scientist has cloned aPredaconfor the intent of hunting down the Autobots. Some of these were published in the character model guides The Ark and The Ark II. It can also be supposed that they are hiding their mass somewhere (car style Transformers storing mass in their passenger compartments when in humanoid form, Starscream folding his wings flat, the buildings in a Titan collapsing to eliminate the spaces normally occupied by humans, boat-bots filling up or getting rid of the vast empty areas used to provide buoyancy) or puffing up with empty space, but at a certain point, things just get silly. Other multiple-toy scale differences include intentionally simplified forms, such as the Fast Action Battlers, which simply make all the characters the same size, with no attempt at matching scales. most news articles say prime is 50ft tall, also interesting is that if you saw rotf in IMAX, the forest scene is in proper scale it would be in real life. Furthermore, the Dreamwave miniseries Micromasters suggested that the Micromasters were scaled down to interact more easily with "smaller beings". Sometimes toys that ship in the same assortment or size class have similar alternate modes (i.e. Similarly, Silverbolt (a Concorde jet) is dramatically undersized compared to his fighter-jet Aerialbot teammates. The current holder of the Matrix of Leadership . Even when toys with considerable size differences are sold in the same pack, combinations such as a Leader-sized Optimus Prime (which would be in scale with Deluxe-sized Autobots with car alternate modes) with the much smaller Legends Class versions of Bumblebee and Jazz or the large Ultimate Bumblebee toy with the much smaller Deluxe-sized toys of Scorponok (who should be roughly the same size as Bumblebee) and Brawl (who should be considerably larger than either of them) are fairly common. While this introduces a nice range of options for the discerning collector, it can also lead to some problems. "Giant" characters such as Omega Supreme are, even aside from any size changing for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. IDW's original continuity frequently took liberties with scale as well: notably, Cosmos is consistently drawn positively huge in robot mode when standing side by side with his fellow Autobots while appearing as a regular member of the (background) cast in More than Meets the Eye, but as soon as he transfers over into the sister title Robots in Disguise, his size is considerably scaled down a bit (although he's still a few heads taller than the average Autobot). However, Metroplex, during his one, brief appearance, was depicted as being immensely larger, crushing Quintesson attack cruisers under foot without batting an eyelid. For example, Cosmos is much shorter than Blaster in robot form; yet Blaster easily fits within his spacecraft mode. However, the presence ofTransformerson Earth is not generally known among the civilian population. The Marvel comics commonly sidestepped this issue by not using Transformers as transport characters, or else requiring the passengers to transform into their explicitly smaller forms to be carried. Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Bountyan, Oct 23, 2011. Some fans interpret the many otherwise-unexplained scale issues above to all be the result of size changing, but this is debatable. Skyquake is slightly taller than Prime. Guess Who the Mecannibals Are Having for Dinner? Template:Tabview Optimus Prime is the main character of Transformers: Prime and the official leader of the Autobots during the war on Cybertron, as well as the leader of Team Prime. Characters with alternate modes that are not meant to be replicas of real-world things (or at least, close enough while being legally-distinct from said things) are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into futuristic or Cybertronian vehicles whose size we don't really know or, indeed, they don't transform into vehicles at all. Transformers: EarthSpark is an animated series that made its debut in November 2022 in support of the franchise of the same name.First announced on February 25, 2021, alongside Transformers: BotBots, the series was co-produced by Entertainment One and Nickelodeon Animation Studio, and features 3D CG animation by Icon Creative Studio.In the U.S., the first 10 half-hour episodes of the season . Devastator is another serial offender, particularly given his frequent appearances in episodes animated by AKOM; his size ranges from shot to shot in "The Core" from being about twice as tall as Optimus to being so large that Prowl's head doesn't even come up to the top of his foot. This is a family-friendly community for all things Transformers -- mostly the toys, but also the cartoons, movies, and comics. Devastator in the Season One scale guide was approximately 2.5 times the height of Optimus Prime, but by Season Two he was somewhat less than twice Prime's height. Scout Class, at US$8. Some Transformers are smaller than solid blocks of the mass contained in their alt-modes: Unicron would have to be about as thick as the Earth's crust while in planetary form, and Optimus Prime would probably be blown away by a stiff breeze in his larger incarnations. ULTIMATE AUTOBOT CHART: (minus Dinobots) CONSTRUCTICONS: (Mixmaster render belongs to KingStarscream9) DECEPTICONS: . The cartoon somewhat got around this by depicting the heads of the Headmasters as significantly larger than their human and Nebulan pilots, though this may make Chromedome's issues even worse. Another interesting example is Lockdown. Devastator is a Decepticon combiner from the Generation 1 continuity family. He's drawn small because he's a human-friendly character, and a junior member of the Autobots. Considering our ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this is not extremely wrong, but it deserves noting. Other toys with comparable alternate modes that are slightly out of scale with each other are Generation 1 Sunstreaker and Sideswipe (mentioned above), who have the same basic alternate mode (with a few differences), and Universe Legends Class Autobot Jazz and Rodimus. A to-scale Starscream in robot mode could kick Bumblebee around like a soccer ball. Something's off about Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Wheeljack. Meanwhile, the beast Core toys do not adhere to any scale besides being smaller than the rest of the cast. The robot mode scaling is generally very consistent to the chosen source, but there are still a few oddities, particularly when dealing with older figures being reissued or redecoed after MP-10. In the Cybertron cartoon, the Recon Mini-Con Team have slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough for a single human passenger, implying either a little size-changing or that their cockpits are kinda cramped. While they're not shown next to humans in their jet and helicopter modes, their on-screen transformations do not indicate any notable size increase. A much larger Deluxe version of Scorponok is also meant to interact with the same Blackout toy, despite the ridiculous scale disparity (and the fact that this means Blackout can have two Scorponoks of radically different size clipped to him simultaneously). Though jets are much larger than cars, they're drawn the same height so the battles appear fair (and also to make it easier to animate; blocking a shot where characters differ radically in height is difficult). Animators and comic book artists received official scale guides showing relative and (in some cases) absolute heights. There's also debate about whether Frenzy's head could compact itself into a slim mobile phone. From left to right, Here is the unofficial chart the Generation 1 Decepticons. What do you think of the size of certain characters in the show? A single Transformer's size is rarely consistent between artists. Characters from any continuity are welcome however must be restyled to match the TFPrime universe. Comparing this shot with when he picks up Archibald Witwicky's glasses a few minutes later, it seems the glasses have lenses a foot (30cm) in diameter. Prime Arcee is about 15 feet tall if I recall correctly. Likewise, a whole squad of Decepticons can fit into Astrotrain's shuttle mode easily (including the combined-form Devastator! Nevertheless, shots featuring Thrust and Megatron standing on his neck are still farcically out of scale. 70 comments. One possible reason for this is that one of them would be considerably smaller than the other one in real life if they were perfectly in scale. The Combaticons are wildly out of scale to each otherBlast Off's Space Shuttle mode should dwarf Swindle, with the others somewhere in between. The scale problems extend to the details. Another criticism had been made towards the lack of weight given to character deaths beyond Cliffjumper, usually resulting in anticlimax. This is actually slightly more believable than all other series, in which the Transformers use mass shifting to make their alt-modes the right size. The Japanese Galaxy Force release of Metroplex, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive redeco of the Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime toy to indicate the "correct" scale. (Admittedly the GT Sisters are non-human Cybertronians, despite appearances, but this definitely smacks of fiction working to explain the toyline's scale issue.). But as noted above, these lines include "human" drivers that needed to be comparatively tiny to fit inside their partner's vehicle mode. Roll out with all-new adventures starring Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Arcee, and the rest of the heroic Autobots as they battle the evil Decepticons! In Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, Metroplex is portrayed not so much as the city, but a part of the city; with one hand being large enough to carry Optimus or crush Megatron. There have been a few toy lines that attempt to address this weirdness and try to present scale in a much more consistent manner, however though issues still pop up in virtually every one. While they are indeed large toys, they're only two to five times bigger than typical Transformer toys, and thus transform into "cities" and "planets" about the (relative) size of a bungalow. Among other changes, Blast Off's initial release was a significantly smaller jet, Swindle's tiny steering wheel suggests him to be around the same size as Brawl, Long Haul is significantly bigger than his team, and Groove is a much smaller Legends Class figure, while newcomer Rook takes his place as one of Defensor's limbs. In fact, Animated is one of those toylines where you're not quite sure who you're supposed to base correct scale on. Octane's original body transforms from a 20-meter (60-foot) tanker truck into a 65-meter (200-foot) jumbo jet. In the Bayverse, years-and probably because Bay and Co. weren't thinking about scale. Though the keys are successfully gathered, Megatron gains possession of them and attempts to use the Omega Lock tocyberformEarth, forcing Optimus to destroy the Lock to save Earth. This results from the Mini-Cons scanning normal vehicles and then resizing them to fit, retaining now-useless passenger compartments. Likewise Dinobot is considerably larger than a real Velociraptor. The final line in the trilogy, Kingdom introduced Beast Wars characters into the mix, which hoooo boy. New and altered characters in later seasons were generally more consistent in size (and appearance) with the toys. Scale in Transformers is inconsistent to put it mildly. Aaaand then a Deluxe-sized Groove and a new Blast Off figure with a space shuttle alternate mode are added to the line in order to revert their teams to their "classic" configurations. Super-God Masterforce featured Pretenders who did not have outer shells but rather an ill-defined holistic transformation which explicitly involved size changing. Some scale problems are for the sake of characterization. In the American and Japanese cartoons, all four were shown as massive robots capable of housing many normal-sized Transformers. Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion, Portfolio: Jennifer Hoffman - Transformers Prime Rigging, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Scorponok has a "human-sized" being forming his head. The movie circumvents this problem by adding additional construction vehicles in the mix, which are ignored by the toy line. This is purely for dramatic effect. Diaclone figures such as Optimus Prime, Prowl and Hound are more-or-less in correct scale with each other (though problems already arise with Sunstreaker and Sideswipe, whose alternate modes are based on the same car yet are not quite the same size), but many of the Mini Vehicles from the New Microman line are clearly far too small by comparison. Conversely, if a new toy based on such a character is designed to be more in scale with other toys, such as 2008 Universe Ultra Class Powerglide or 2010 Transformers Voyager Class Sea Spray, some fans complain because they expect those new toys to reflect the original toys' sizes and, by extension, the depiction in fiction. Megatronreturns having discoveredDark Energon, which grants him the power to resurrect the dead, but is injured, withStarscreamtaking command in his absence. This was first evident in the pre-Transformers days, with the various Diaclone mechs all coming with pilot figures that, if to scale with the cars, would probably be the size of hobbits. As actual real-life cities can sprawl for many miles, a Titan that can notionally house a population of humans, let alone Transformers, should have a robot mode that'd make Godzilla look like a gecko. Their sizes is mesured as good as possible and I even manage to find a (proper) height in meters for each of them. The Micromasters are about the same height in robot mode, but they transform into equally tiny cars, trucks, planes, tanks, and other vehicles that should be vastly different sizes. Megatron is a Tyrannosaurus rex but is shown in "The Agenda (Part III)", as being much smaller than Optimus Prime. With this new body, Silas destroys his own organization and attempts to join the Decepticons, only to becomeKnock Out's new dissection study. Optimus Prime is also usually shown as only a head or so shorter than Magnus (if that), which gets very strange when you realize that a redeco of Prime's toy forms but a small part of Magnus' robot mode. Please check this timestamped video for further clarification: https://youtu.be/VKs7jisImJE?t=305. In the otherwise fairly toy-scale-savvy Unicron Trilogy, Cybertron Metroplex and the other citizens of Gigantion are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes (they do at least scale decently to each other, though). In the Aligned continuity, the Thirteenth Prime is better known as Optimus Prime, the current leader of the Autobots and protector of the universe. There are times however outside and inside of lore when official heights and sizes of characters are given. 1.2k. The biggest case by far is Unicron. Despite this guide, the series writers have indicated some measure of disregard for relative scale when it suited the needs of dramatic tension. So, probably close to or at 40ft. The Autobots and Decepticons eventually make the startling discovery that Earth is the body ofUnicron, forcing them to ally and prevent his consciousness from reasserting control over the planet. His Armada toy is notoriously covered in Mini-Con ports, despite the fact that Unicron's very nature as a character suggests that any Mini-Con large enough to Powerlinx with him would have to be about the size of Argentina. Devastator's size is particularly confusing. 1.2k. Within the fandom, the show quickly won fans over, an impressive feat for the chronological successor to the widely lovedTransformers Animated. Transformers are currently formalised to a variety of size classes, which dictate the approximate cost and dimensions of a figure. However, the considerable and varied scale problems of Transformers still merit description. Ultimately, Megatron manipulates the Autobots into destroying the project when he discoversPredakingis intelligent, and therefore a potential power rival. One story even features Roadhandler carrying a human passenger in his vehicle form, as though he were a full-sized car. Conversely, the traditionally stunted Bumblebee is marginally too tall and bulky to be in correct scale to his otherwise fairly accurate core teammates, assuming one includes Voyager Optimus and Leader Bulkhead in their lineup. Height Chart | Transformers Prime: RP Transformers Prime: RP Transformers Prime: RP OOC Fun stuff Height Chart Members Search We are a literate, intermediate to advanced AU Transformers RPG Based off of the first season of TFP with dashes of other incarnations sprinkled here or there. Whether that meant creatures of human scale or even smaller stature is never clarified, but the Micromasters' passenger compartments are presumably too small to accommodate human passengers. Predacons Rising concluded the show on October 4, 2013 and a follow up TV series called Transformers: Robots in Disguise aired on Cartoon Network in the United States on March 14, 2015. For example, Optimus Prime can hold both Sam and Mikaela in one hand. There's simply no positive evidence that size-changing is so widespread. Watch Transformers: Prime Free Online | 2 Seasons. After destroying Darkmount, the status quo is restored, with the Autobots based at aUnit:Efacility, while the Decepticons retreat to orbit Earth in theNemesisonce more. . At the time of Bumblebee, scaling concerns in relation between robot and vehicle modes were seemingly absent, at least in regards to airborne vehicles. Before the Great War, Optimus Prime was originally known as Orion Pax; a young data clerk who worked in Iacon, under the wing of Alpha Trion. heightchart transformersprime Pretty self-explanatory here. . After the Decepticons kidnapRatchetto help in their plan, the Autobots assault theNemesisand capture the ship, killing Megatron before he can use the Omega Lock to cyberform Earth. Here is the height chart for the leaders in "TRANSFORMERS: DIVISION". The characters should be in scale with each other as they all have real-world alternate modes that (should) pass for real vehicles. A vaguely similar explanation appeared in Dreamwave's More than Meets the Eye encyclopedia. Over the course of the show's run-time, it won nine Daytime Emmy Awards, two CINE Awards and was nominated for several more, as well as consistently ranking as one of the Hub's most popular programs. Likewise, the Legends Class version of Revenge of the Fallen Arcee, a motorcycle, is more or less in scale with Deluxe-sized Autobots with car alternate modes. The Generation 1 Marvel comic is notorious for changing the relative sizes of various characters. It took a while to complete this so I hope you guys are vocal about what you think about the designs! Conversely, Bumblebee is sometimes shown only a few feet taller than an average human, while in reality he would be 35 m (10'15') tall (the Marvel comic actually states he's 15' tall Plight of the Bumblebee!). The same is later repeated with Menasor in Transformers: Devastation. That said, it does also mean that fans attempting to create "scale-accurate" collections do have more options: for instance, Starscream's releases at the Voyager pricepoint struggle to scale with the standard Deluxe-class cars, but his Leader-class incarnation is much closer. B.O.T. The creators of the live-action movie took great pains to avoid out-of-scale issues (well, greater than previous franchises). The Marvel Generation 1 comic sidestepped this issue by depicting Trypticon, Fortress Maximus, and Scorponok as merely "large-standard" characters. The opposite problem is seen with Masterpiece Megatron, whose robot mode is in scale with Masterpiece Optimus Prime. Prime Spark). Numerous characters are explicitly shown to shrink or expand at various times. Even worse, Hasbro Pulse refers to a figure's height measurements as "figure scale". Of the Maximals featured in the show, the tallest character, Silverbolt, is the shortest toy, while the diminutive Nightscream is a massive Ultra-class toy. Definitely believe that Wheeljack is closer to their size, and Cliffjumper is as large, if not larger than Bumblebee. And, much like Human Alliance, the various human figures released alongside them are far too small - going by the scale charts, Spike, for instance, should come up to Optimus's knee, rather than the middle of his shin.
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