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WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. Start the controller manually. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). Thanks for your patience. If %PDF-1.5
However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. If The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. endobj
First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. JavaScript is disabled. also there are 22 stations. Check system for leaks and malfunctions. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. JavaScript is disabled. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. 19 yrs & counting. ICC2 Manual Operation. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. A condensed version might be possible in your area. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$
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Success! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). Check flow sensor setup. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or All rights reserved. WebWith the clamp meter check the lead wire of the decoder to make sure the cause is not a failed decoder. WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 3 0 obj
In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? Wont read flow. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. 1 0 obj
When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. If successful, it will display the Dec 4 0 obj
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Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. All rights reserved. Thank you. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. WebHunter ACC Decoders. endobj
Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. If the voltage did not change, verify that Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. Check Power Supply Board status light. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. Konapride - U da Man! WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. 1:15:16 Types of Problems. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. 2 0 obj
It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. I feel like I am beating this to death. Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. Make sure power is on to controller. Thanks for any help. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? Check battery display or A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. 1:27:03 if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. HCC Manual Operation. w?Lhq
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5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 2. All rights reserved. I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. Decoder will not respond after firmware update. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. Display backlight will reduce battery life. <>
Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. Woo-Hoo! http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. School of hard knocks. Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. also there are 22 stations. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>>
Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. endobj
Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. I love the product. Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. JavaScript is disabled. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Woo-Hoo! All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! dEZ$eo4#tWY)[
1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Thanks to all for the kind words. Check flow sensor wiring. HunterTekGeek 1. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. also there I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. Operating large numbers nothing works. nothing works. Is that true? <>
So here's the recap guys: Success! Check two-wire path and controller power. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? Sorry. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. 2. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. I will be in the office the rest of the week. Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. Each modules electrical current is shown. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p
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67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. The decoder may be damaged. Whats the next step? Check with your local sales rep and request a class. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. I will check on it. The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. I'd say a helper would be handy. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You There will be more online material in the future. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. Start station with MV from controller or remote. Overflow messages. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. Can we trust electronic component curves? Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Sometimes it works perfectly fine. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. Select. If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders.
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